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River's avatar

I like this train of thought in general. My quibble would be that I don't think "intelligent non-conscious alien" is a coherent concept.

Ali Afroz's avatar

This is an interesting possibility, but doesn’t it presuppose some form of moral realism? After all, if you think that human subjective preferences ground morality, then obviously a moral proposition which is to us like asking a rock about a war cannot possibly exist since by hypothesis. We would have no preference about it.

Also, at least the third world you point out, consciousness doesn’t really work well as an analogy for a non-realist. This is especially true if you are a physicalist. After all from this perspective, there is nothing that special about consciousness that doesn’t reduce to the fact that it’s only special according to your preferences. So for example and unconscious with the right understanding, could tell you that if you told it about how a human might work that the human would show behaviour, we would consider signs of consciousness like thinking it is conscious. It’s just that to the alien. It would be completely uninteresting. It’s just interesting to us because our preferences care about it. At least given what we know about our preferences so far, it’s unlikely there is another thing we would care about in the same way.

Also, I don’t really think the first and second world can be separated the way you are separating them in terms of human understanding. It’s just too complicated describing the world as a collection of isolated facts without paying attention to regularities like the fact that if you put two atoms, next to two atoms, you have four atoms. Any system, which try describing the world without any regularities would find this would take way too much compute, and would be completely inefficient.

In any case, the inductive argument doesn’t work because we have always known about these three worlds, there isn’t some pattern where we only knew about one then found out about the second so you can’t extrapolate a pattern that does not exist in terms of finding out stuff. Maybe your point is that these different worlds came into existence, one after the other, but firstly, I think the first and second world came into existence together at time zero and as for the third world it’s not surprising your preferences. Would find things about you. Interesting. That doesn’t mean you should expect your preferences to care about things it has never encounter. In fact, you should expect the opposite you would not evolve strong preferences about things you have never encountered during your evolution.

You could argue that you only need the possibility of moral realism but the problem is that if you think it’s sufficiently unlikely, it doesn’t make sense to make this a huge priority, especially since your theory is already speculative, even granting that premise, so the combined unlikelyhood would likely make it vulnerable to Pascal’s mugging style objections. After all we ignore Small probabilities all the time in decision-making. When I’m reasoning about stuff, I don’t keep track possibilities if I’m wrong about logic and mathematics, even though I think it’s possible because this is a rounding error because of just how small that probability is in spite of the fact that there are instances in history where society has in fact been wrong in exactly this way. Given this, unless you think moral realism is a live option. I don’t think your argument works, especially if you combine it with physicalism about consciousness.

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